By: Raf#7220 Added: 5/29/2021 Discussion
Finding: Geovishap Hatching shields don't activate the 4 Petra bonus
Significance: Even though they're mechanically similar to crystallize shields, hatchling shields don't activate Petra, yet another reason the 4set is trash
By: Vye#9195 Added: 3/21/2021
Cryo resonance and the artefact set Blizzard Strayer never snapshot even with abilities that snapshot. They are always dynamic and will change your crit rate in real time.
Albedo E was used to perform the tests because it doesn't remove cryo on the enemy and it snapshots.
For cryo resonance, Albedo was equipped with artifacts to reach 85% crit rate without Blizzard Strayer set bonuses. Below is a video recording of using Albedo E followed by applying cryo to the enemy. Over a prolonged period I could not get a noncrit Albedo E proc against the enemy.
Following that I reduced the crit rate to 80% and equipped a complete Blizzard Strayer set to Albedo. Once again I could not get noncrit Albedo E proc against the enemy when using Albedo E first followed up by applying cryo to the enemy.
You cannot snapshot Cryo Resonance or the Blizzard Strayer set bonuses for abilities that usually snapshot and last of a longer period of time.
By: Threvax#0078 Added: 09/06/2021 Discussion
Findings: 4 piece Blizzard Strayer is not active on the hit that applies Frozen
Evidence: Freeze: Video
Crit counts: Spreadsheet Only 3 out of 46 hits crit, which is statistically improbable with a theoretical 30% critical chance. Although by no means conclusive, it strongly hints that 4BS does not work on the hit that applies Cryo.
Significance: Blizzard Strayer litterally abbreviates to BS.
By: Nass008#8577 Added: 09/14/2021 Discussion
Findings: Blizzard Strayer does not gain full crit rate bonus against frozen aura
It is known that some enemies in the game can have innate “frozen” auras.
This can be observed in both data-mined files and in-game UI.
Element symbols shown in-game. The two enemies both have same symbol as frozen enemies instead of cryo element symbol.
Against both target:
60% crit rate + 4pc BS resulted in some non-crit hits, meaning ganyu didn’t get full 40% bonus from 4pc BS set.
80% crit rate + 4pc BS resulted in all attacks being crit hits, suggesting 20% crit rate bonus on cryo aura being active.
Conclusion: Enemies with the “Frozen” aura do not count as “being frozen” for Blizzard Strayer set bonus. Instead, it’s treated like cryo aura and you get only 20% crit rate.
Significance: Clarification of interaction between frozen aura and Blizzard Strayer set bonus. Also, Blizzard Strayer still pretty much is bs.
No, it does not even if you have dealt >80% dmg to the enemy.
Yes, it doeshttps://youtu.be/3y4R64qxzOs
No, it does not.https://youtu.be/zgyVLeUkFwU
No, it does not.https://youtu.be/zaDYictHFTc
Bloodstained Chivalry 4 Piece Set Effect Can be maintained by chain killing enemies.
t=0, time of death of first Hilichurl
t=7, time of death of second Hilichurl
t=10, buff is still active
t=18, buff deactivates
You still require the minimum amount of stamina to perform a Charged Attack, your stamina just won't be reduced on execution.
Stamina regen will continue even while performing Charge Attacks provided the buff is active allowing you to save stamina for dashing.
By: Greyhound#7836 Added: 6/26/2021 Discussion
Finding: Gaining a stack with the Crimson Witch set will refresh the duration of all previous stacks
Significance: Explanation of how Crimson Witch stacks work
By: Greyhound#7836 Added: 6/26/2021 Discussion
Finding: Crimson Witch stacks remain after swapping characters.
Significance: Allows players to swap off crimson witch users while maintaining stacks
By: Cenpi#3224 and Boesik#3192
The 4CW set adds 40% dmg to overload reactions. If the pyro holder drops a persistent skill which triggers a reaction while the pyro user is not on the field, will this 40% bonus apply?
For example, if Keqing applies electro > Xiangling drops Guoba a distance away from the enemy > Swap back to Keqing and lure the enemy into Guoba fire, will this overload reaction benefit from the 40% set bonus?
Yes, the overload reaction will benefit from the 40% bonus even though Xiangling is not on the field
https://youtu.be/PLlq0yDy5Bo - Overload dmg while CW holder inactive
https://youtu.be/Lwvv_ZaV7fU - Overload dmg while CW holder active
Damage is the same
Pyro supports can hold 4 set crimson witch and be quickly swapped in and out to drop their persistent pyro abilities without losing the bonus damage to overload.
4CW set effect applies even if the holder is not the active character. However, the holder must provide the triggering element.
Tested using an A5 Bennett's burst. Damage with 3ESF: 947 non-crit Damage with 4ESF, added piece has DEF and HP stats only: 1257 non-crit Expected ratio: (1+.07)/(1+.07+.25* 1.40)= .75 Actual ratio: 947/1257=.75 Video for 3ESF Video for 4ESF
By: Mcpie#8672 Added: 08/17/2021 Discussion
Finding: Cooldown of 4p gambler effect starts on any dmg output from elemental skill. For example, Sayu's roll does not trigger Sacrificial Greatsword effect - it does not reset the cooldown while using 4p gambler as well, however it does proc the effect since 4p gambler starts 15s cooldown timer. Another example could be Fischl's Oz, however it's harder to test.
By: NZPIEFACE#8439 Added: 07/14/2021 Discussion
Finding: Instructor user needs to be on the field to trigger the 4-set bonus
Evidence: Video playlist Units that were tested:
Fischl - C6/E
Albedo - E
Sucrose - Q
Amber - E
Hu Tao - E flowers
Significance: Make sure to land the reaction before swapping off the Instructor user.
By: ItzSomebody#0029 Added: 07/21/2021 Discussion
Finding: Triggering another reaction during 4pc instructor buff extends duration of buff
Significance: The buff time can be extended by swapping back into the carrier and triggering a reaction.
- Is healing bonus applicable to the above mentioned weapon and increase its healing further?
(#2 Healing Bonus only:) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779076275699449856/780889986219769876/unknown.png
Yes it does, however the total healing output is nowhere close to 'actual healers' but for those curious here's the answer.
Healing Bonus does add on to the weapon as well the difference can be noted from no healing bonus and with healing bonus.
Without 4pc Maiden's = 2139
With healing bonus only = 2798
With 4pc Maiden's = 2888
Prototype Malice at R2
Healing bonus of 30.8%
Ningguang was used due to her low burst energy cost (40)
Above numbers have being subtracted from 150 (started with that hp before healing)
By: gtrain#9987 Added: 09/22/2021 Discussion
Finding: Documentation for all units on whether their own 4no set affects their burst.
Previously known inconsistencies: Beidou, Ningguang
Newly documented as inconsistent: AMC, Sayu, Aloy
Does not receive 4NO: Ganyu
Non snapshot units are still tested to see if the buff applies in time for the first instance of damage from their burst (like Eula, Keq), since there are other on-burst effects, like MSR, that do not consistently apply in time.
Significance: Whether you should run 4NO.
By: Greyhound#7836 Added: 6/26/2021 Discussion
Finding: the stacks (and their related effects) generated by hitting enemies with elemental skill damage by the 4-piece Pale Flame artifact set persist after swapping characters.
Significance: allows 4-piece PF users to swap off
Finding: Duration of 1st 4pc Pale Flame stack will reset upon receiving 2nd stack if the 1st stack hasn't expired yet.
Significance: All character with elemental skill cooldown + animation time < 7s can maintain Pale Flame 2 stack buff indefinitely.
By: Greyhound#7836 Added: 6/26/2021 Discussion
Finding: The 2-piece effect of the Retracing Bolide artifact set only works on the character equipping the artifact set; if the character using the set creates a shield and then swaps, the shield strength bonus will not persist.
Significance: using 2-piece bolide on shield supports for the shield strength bonus is pointless.
By: Silvershine2#5439 Added: 5/22/2021 Discussion
Theory: The 4 piece effect of Tenacity of the Millelith activates with elemental skills hitting shielded enemies and dealing no damage
Significance: 4pc Millelith can have 100% uptime even against enemies that block all incoming damage.
By: WinJ#9420 Added: 08/20/2021 Discussion
Theory: The 4pc effect of Tenacity of the Millelith does not stack and its duration can be reset.
Evidence: 4ToM Does Not Stack: Imgur Zhongli ATK stays the same despite having "2" 4ToM applied via Zhongli E + Diona E.
4ToM Resetting Duration: Imgur Buff activates at 11s ish (18s left in the vid), I open menu between 12s - 17s and buff is "reset" by Zhongli E at 18s ish and lasts until 21s ish.
Significance: Stacking 4 ToM on 2 characters on the same team has consequences.
By: Episodde#8962 Added: 08/28/2021 Discussion
Theory: Shimenawa Set energy drain also do not happen immediately. There is about a 7-frame delay (can be more depend on latency) from the moment your character elemental skill is used to when you character actually lose energy.
Evidence: Frame count (from beginning till 2:00): Youtube
Extra Razor, lisa, sayu, chongyun framecount: Youtube
Imgur - Childe using Shimenawa, still able to cast E into Q while getting the auto attack damage buff. I attack at the beginning to showcase the dmg difference after the buff.
Imgur - Another example of Childe (credit to Seres from ChildeMains for this clip)
Imgur - Example of Ning using SR and doing E into Q at high ping (thanks to SilverHawk#5880)
Youtube - Example of Keqing at high ping (thanks to ProfHugo#6478)
Significance: If a character can cast their elemental skill and then burst in about less than 7 frame, they can spend the energy before being drained, bypassing the large cost of using Shimenawa set. Childe walking E (thanks to Amadurim#8925) is currently the only skill found to be fast enough for this tech to work, so this remains largely impractical in gameplay, but maybe future character can benefit more from Shimenawa with this finding. Also, with high ping (400-600ms) it is possible to extend the energy drain delay long enough so other character can burst before the drain.
4-set thundering fury gives +40% to damage caused by Overloaded, Electro-Charged, and Superconduct. We know that elemental mastery provides a multiplier to elemental reactions.
Question: Is the 4 set thundering fury effect additive or multiplicative to the bonus from elemental mastery?
Conclusion: Damage boosts regarding reactions are additive with the multiplier from Elemental Mastery.
The 4TF set effect adds 40% additional damage to electro-related reactions. In addition, everytime a reaction is proccd, the E CD is reduced by 1 second (every 0.8s).
The question is whether or not the holder must be the one proccing the reaction as opposed to a support.
For example, if Keqing has 4TF, applies electro, and Xiangling Guoba triggers overload, will this overload damage be increased by 40% or no?
The answer is no. In order to benefit from the increased damage, Keqing must be the one triggering the reaction.
This also applies for the cooldown reduction effect; Keqing must be the one triggering in order to get the cooldown reduction.
In solo PvE play, Keqing does NOT frequently trigger elemental reactions due to her high rate of application of electro.
Therefore, Keqing does not significantly benefit from the 4 set thundering fury effect.
By: Boesik#3192, Cenpi#3224, Lix-#3417
In short, yes. The 4 set TF increases reaction damage even if the holder is not on the field.
Note: No significant EM differences. Level differences are: Xiangling lvl 60; Fischl lvl 70
The following tests were conducted on a lvl 71 ruin guard:
Fischl proccing overload while present
Overload does 2066 damage
Fischl proccing overload while not present
Overload does 2066 damage
See above video as well.
Xiangling proccing overload
Overload does 1077 damage
This finding means that you can put 4TF on a support and get the bonus damage to reactions even if they are not on the field.
By: Boesik#3192, Cenpi#3224, Wrathior#4848, Lix-#3417
In short, no. The 4TF holder must be on the field to gain the benefit of the 1s CD reduction. We know (just to reaffirm) that if the 4TF holder is on the field and proccing the reaction, the 1s CD reduction applies with every reaction
But if the 4TF holder is not on the field but proccing the reaction, the 1s CD reduction does not go through.
In the video you can see that at roughly 2.33s into the video guoba is summoned with 11.9s CD.
2 overloads occur (at 4s and 6s)
At 8s into the video Xiangling is switched back in and guoba has a 6.2s CD
In total, roughly 5.33s has passed and guoba has only gone down in 5.7s
2s has not been reduced and the 0.37s can be equated to just human error in measuring timings.
This result also confirmed by Lix-#3417 using Barbara E and then switching to Keqing, no CD reduction occurred.
4TF holders who trigger reactions while not on the field will not get the 1s CDR.
By: Doug#8888, ayynish#5408
4 set Thundering Fury has 2 effects
+40% reaction damage to Superconduct, Overload, and Electro-charged
Triggering such effects decreases Elemental Skill CD by 1s. Can only occur once every 0.8s.
In Electrocharged, the E CDR (cooldown reduction) functions separately from the reaction damage bonus.
In other words, it is possible to trigger the E CDR, without dealing reaction damage at the same instant.
Refer to this video for analysis. Keqing is wearing 4TF and XQ is not.
At 0:02, start counting frames.
Keqing is mid blink via E2 and is about to trigger an EC
Hydro aura will be applied by the XQ orbital swords and the E recast damage will trigger EC
Please observe the E cooldown. After E2, you will observe that frame in which it switches from E2 recast to the E cooldown, the cooldown shown is 6.8 seconds
We will refer to the frame in which 6.8s CD becomes visible as frame 0
6.8 E CD becomes visible
Electro-charged font becomes visible
4TF effect is triggered
This is denoted by the white flash on the E circle and reduction of the cooldown to 5.8s
Observe the enemy and you can see a purple-white flash appear at the same time.
1713 (KQ EC dmg) visible and HP reduction visible
KQ autoattack and purple-white flash appears
E CDR occurs and CD changes from 4.7s to 3.7s
1713 (KQ EC dmg) disappears 54 frames after becoming visible
777 (XQ EC dmg) visible and HP reduction visible
55 frames after initial damage (frame 15)
777 (XQ EC dmg) disappears 53 frames after becoming visible
777 (XQ EC dmg) visible and HP reduction visible
59 frames after previous tick (frame 70)
Frames 4, 15, 57, and 69 demonstrate that in EC, the 4TF E CDR functions separately from the reaction damage
At frame 4, we obtained E CDR, but it wasn’t until frame 15 until the reaction damage actually went through.
At frame 57, we observe KQ trigger the 4TF E CDR, but there is no reaction damage
At frame 69, we realise that XQ triggered the next tick of EC because his orbital swords or Q swords were the last elemental source applied to the target.
Thus, we can conclude that KQ can trigger 4TF’s E CDR effect without actually triggering EC reaction damage.
There are only 2 conditions for KQ to trigger E CDR in the context of EC.
4TF must not be on CD (0.8s ICD)
KQ must apply an electro elemental source to an enemy with existing hydro aura.
Therefore, 4TF is actually not hampered by EC’s 1 second ICD. As long as you can keep constant hydro aura on the enemy you can switch between different elemental sources (E1, E2, electro-imbued autoattacks, and Q) to obtain E CDR.
By: Sayline#5959 Added: 3/21/2021
Finding: Thundering Fury 4-piece set effect (cooldown reduction) can be triggered by non-damaging Hydro application.
I have 2 examples where this can be observed. The first one uses XQ's skill, where we see 4TF triggered repeatedly even without XQ doing any damaging moves (Oz deals damage, but he is the aura, not trigger for EC). https://youtu.be/qSEwlawImHU
The second example uses Barbara's skill. Here, Oz was the trigger majority of the time, but during his ICD, Barbara was able to trigger 4TF (at about 00:07). https://youtu.be/nPvpICUd7qY
Here is a third example, where we don't rely on Oz as our electro crutch. Tested on Hidden Palace of Lianshan Formula I (the weapon domain in Liyue). https://youtu.be/4FEWaKG7xJQ
Limit testing for 4TF set effect.
Makes 4TF XQ carry an attractive idea to explore.
Additionally: No, 4TF does not reduce sac sword cooldown.
It does work for heroes off screen, can be useful for pure electro dmg parties using Fischl as extra damage source
In this test, we see if the 1 set effect of Tiara is active even when not visually active due to have 2 other concurrent set effects enabled (eg 2 set Instructor + 2 set Berserker + 1 set Tiara).
For the test I used Venti Lvl. 40 with and without Tiara of Flame (40% less time affected by pyro), and to apply the pyro debuff I used Xiangling's elemental skill with grass to create a fire surface.
Test 1 - No Tiara on, both set slots filled - Pyro debuff lasts for aprox 10 seconds
Test 2 - Tiara on, both set slots filled, tiara buff not showing - Pyro debuff lasts for aprox 4/5 seconds
Test 3 - Tiara on, buff showing - Pyro debuff lasts for approx 4/5 seconds
The Tiara status resist 1-set effect applies even when not visually active.
In this test, we see if the 1 set effect of the Tiara is active in Domains and if its stackable with elemental resonances (Hydro resonance for this particular test).
Tiara of Flame, Domain tests:
Test 1 - No tiara, both set slots filled - Pyro debuff last long enough for the domain to reapply before it wears off. Pyro debuff infinite duration
Test 2 - Tiara on, both set slots filled, tiara buff not showing - Pyro debuff lasts 25 seconds
Test 3 - Tiara on, buff showing - Pyro debuff lasts 25 seconds
Test 4 - Tiara on, buff showing, hydro resonance up - Pyro debuff lasts for only 8 seconds.
Conclusion: the Tiara works with Leyline disorders and is additive with elemental resonances, so you are able to get up to 80% debuff resistance.
Additional testing was performed by Tankex regarding electro debuff
I decided to test if the "Affected by Element for 40% less time" bonus also work with other domains apart from fire. I did some runs with and without the tiara in "Hidden Palace of Lianshian Formula" to test the electro Debuff and I got this.
Test 1 - No tiara nor Elemental resonance - Duration of the Debuff 20 seconds.
Test 2 - Tiara on, no elemental resonance - Duration of the Debuff 12 seconds.
By: Aevean Leeow#1362
Finding: 4p Tiny Miracle doesn't proc on damage dealt to shields
Evidence: https://youtu.be/q8dE3UzBHVA Tiny Miracle is equipped and you don't get RES% buff until after shield is broken, shown in video
Significance: Very important for Tiny Miracle users. Min max your shield by getting hit before the shield is up.
By: SirBoi#1101 Added: 6/26/2021 Discussion
Findings: Viridescent Venerer’s RES shred passive only buffs Swirl DMG against an enemy with a pre-existing aura.
Evidence: Tested against 3 Hilichurls of the same level, with Lisa first applying Electro aura on one Hilichurl and swirling with Venti
Things to know: Hilichurl base RES = 10% Hilichurl RES (with VV shred) = 10% - 40% = -30% (BUT res shred is halved below zero, so -30/2 = -15%) RES% Multiplier = 1 - Enemy RES% Incoming Swirl DMG = Outgoing Swirl DMG * RES% Multiplier Outgoing Swirl DMG = Incoming Swirl DMG / RES% Multiplier
1st clip (Raven Bow Venti, 270 EM, 4VV): https://youtu.be/Ui78cv0ZyjM
Electro Swirl DMG on Swirled Hilichurl = 2603 Outgoing DMG = 2603 / (1 - (-0.15)) = 2263.478261 Calculated Swirl DMG against a Hilichurl with 10% RES: 2263 * (1 - 0.1) = 2036.7 (rounded to 2037) Swirl AoE DMG on surrounding Hilichurls = 2037
Calculated Swirl DMG matches ingame Swirl DMG against a Hilichurl with base RES
2nd clip (Stringless Venti, 400 EM, 4VV): https://youtu.be/5Gvo_3Wzptc
Electro Swirl DMG on Swirled Hilichurl = 3173 Outgoing DMG = 3173 / (1 - (-0.15)) = 2759.130435 Calculated Swirl DMG against a Hilichurl with base RES: 2759 * (1 - 0.1) = 2483.217391 (rounded to 2483) Swirl AoE DMG on surrounding Hilichurls = 2483
Again, calculated swirl DMG matches Swirl DMG ingame
3rd clip (Stringless Venti, 400 EM, 2NO + 2VV): https://youtu.be/QsQ90L5TUWc
Electro Swirl DMG on Swirled Hilichurl = 2134 Swirl AoE DMG on surrounding Hilichurls = 2134
All Hilichurls had their base RES, therefore each of them received the same Swirl DMG.
Findings: Viridescent Venerer’s RES shred passive also works on surrounding enemies after being affected by Swirl’s AoE.
Evidence: Clip 1 was tested against the 3 same hilichurls using the same rotation and setup with Lisa + Venti (with ZL for shielding + res shred. https://youtu.be/bZOAH38YLMs
With Zhongli’s shred in effect, Lisa’s 1-hit AA dealt 16 Electro DMG against one Hilichurl. Since all Hilichurls share the same base RES, we can assume Lisa will deal 16 DMG to the other two when paired with Zhongli’s RES shred.
Venti triggered Swirl, and the Electro status as well as the DMG spread to the rest of the hilichurls (as for the different Swirl DMG values shown in the clip, reasons were Zhongli’s shield range + VV shred mechanic finding above). After the Swirl, Lisa perfomed 1-hit AA on the Hilichurls, dealing 20 DMG to each one. ZL shred is still active in this scenario, but there is still a DMG increase after the VV proc from Venti.
Clip 2 involved the same enemies minus Zhongli shred. https://youtu.be/QzwUxjJ0k4U
Lisa’s 1-hit AA dealt 14 DMG and applied Electro to one Hilichurl. After swirling with Venti and triggering VV, Lisa performed 1-hit AA and dealt 18 DMG against each Hilichurl. Although the two Hilichurls weren’t affected by the Swirl reaction, they were affected by its AoE, and the VV resistance reduction was also applied afterward.
Significance: Viridescent Venerer continues to be a powerful set for Anemo supports. On 06/21/2021, the wiki stated that VV’s resistance reduction only affects the enemy hit by the Swirl reaction, but as I finished recording counterproof it had been changed, proving my findings.
By: Comfy Seaweed#3841
Viridescent Venerer 4set effect can trigger multiple times for different element, allowing you to stack different elemental resistances together.
Used Barbara for hydro debuff, Fischl for electro debuff. Compared the dmg before and after swirl takes place
Barbara auto attack before swirl : 63
Barbara auto attack after swirl : 80
Fischl charged attack before swirl : 637
Fischl charged attack after swirl : 814
Proc hydro swirl, and then electro swirl. Check if both hydro resist debuff AND electro resist debuff exist simultaneously.
Theory was confirmed. See video for evidence.
Conclusion: This means that anemo supports that can proc multiple swirl infused with different elements rapidly can have multiple elements resist debuffs applied at the same time. Venti Burst OP
By: Faranight#0001 Added: 4/20/2021 Discussion
Theory: Viridescent Venerer's 4-piece set effect can not only trigger multiple times for different elements, allowing you to stack debuffs, but it can also trigger two debuffs in a single anemo attack against Electro-Charged or Frozen targets.
In this video, Barbara's normals deal 34 damage when buffed by her C2 but not buffed by VV, and Beidou's burst deals 960 damage. After Jean attacks the target with a single use of Gale Blade, Barbara's normals deal 44 damage and Beidou's skill deals 1227 damage. Both Barbara's hydro attacks and Beidou's electro burst were buffed by a single anemo attack.
In this video, Jean does 98 Cryo damage (infused by Chongyun) on her normals with the VV buff, and Barbara does 41 damage with her normals with both VV and Xingqiu's C2 buff. When a frozen target is swirled, Jean does 98 damage and Barbara does 41 damage to the target, meaning that the target received both a Hydro resistance down and Cryo resistance down debuff from a single anemo attack.
Signifiance: Improves rotations; anemo characters don't need to be swapped in for each individual elemental debuff.
I wanted to see how Viridescent Venerer would increase final Swirl damage. The important thing about 4p bonus is that Swirl damage will increase both from +60% Swirl % and also from -40% elemental resistance. Since it's damage depends on EM I made a graph for total increase as a function of EM (attached here).
The 4p bonus increases a lot Swirl damage. Despite the low base damage of Swirl, this set will improve it in a way that sometimes it can be compared to 1 Electro-charged hit (depending on char EM).
By: sigurd#3854 Added: 5/22/2021 Discussion
Finding: 4 piece Viridescent Venerer (vv) only shreds if the wearer is onfield during a swirl that they trigger.
Evidence: (Test 1)Anemo wearers that trigger the swirl but whether the character is onfield or offield is variable : Tests showed that vv didnt shred when the character is offield when their Q triggers a swirl. It shredded when the character was onfield during a swirl.
List of tests:
Normal 4p vv proc: Youtube
Offield so 4p vv doesnt proc: Youtube
Offield DURING a swirl so 4p vv doesnt proc: Youtube
Anemo and non-Anemo wearers that dont trigger the swirl but is onfield during a swirl: Tests showed 4p vv not shredding at all.
List of tests:
Stat page for testing if non-anemo characters that have 4p vv and are onfield during a swirl can shred: Youtube
Non-anemo characters that have 4p vv and are onfield during a swirl they dont trigger CANNOT shred: Youtube
Stat page for testing if anemo characters that have 4p vv and are onfield during a swirl can shred: Youtube
Anemo characters that have 4p vv and are onfield during a swirl they dont trigger CANNOT shred: Youtube
Non-Anemo wearers that are onfield and trigger the swirl: Tests showed that they can shred with 4p vv as long as they trigger the swirl with any element which is not geo/anemo (which is only possible against enemies with an innate Anemo aura like the Anemo hypostasis)
List of tests:
Stat page for "Pyro as trigger element for swirl with 4p vv, WILL IT SHRED": Youtube
With Pyro as Trigger for swirl, 4p vv procs the shred (vs anemo hypo): Youtube
Conclusion: 4p vv wearers can only shred if they fulfil the 2 requirements of being the trigger of the swirl and being onfield during the swirl. Other elements like pyro/cryo can also shred with 4p vv with the same 2 requirements.
Significance: Rotations to include 4p vv users is more strict and 4p vv can shred those with an innate Anemo aura with other elements as the trigger.
By: Greyhound#7836 Added: 08/21/2021 Discussion
Theory: The 4pc set effect's duration can be extended by hitlag.
Evidence: Video: Chongyun extending VV duration via hitlag Imgur: Jean applies VV at ~1565, chongyun's VV-ed attacks deal N1 = 148, N2 = 134, N3 =170, until frame 2315 where the N3 deals 143 damage as the VV shred wears off, resulting in ~12 seconds of VV shred, 2 seconds of hitlag past the intended 10s duration.
Significance: VV use optimization.
By: ProfHugo#6478 Added: 6/26/2021 Discussion
Finding: For transformative reactions, +80 EM is better than the reaction damage bonus from 4TF/CW at <=490 EM (before set bonus), while +160 EM is better than the reaction damage bonus from 4TF/CW at <=1498 EM (before set bonus).
4TF/CW provides a flat, additive bonus to the total % increase in the formula.
The bonus provided 80/160 EM follows a hyperbolic decay as total EM increases.
At 0 <= EM without set bonus <= 490 EM, 80 additional EM provides >=40% increase to the damage of a transformative reaction.
At 0 <= EM without set bonus <= 1498 EM, 160 additional EM provides >=40% increase to the damage of a transformative reaction.
Desmos sheet for visualization/calculations: Desmos Link
Significance: For characters building around triggering transformative reactions, if they do not utilize any other parts of the 4p set bonus provided by 4CW (vape/melt boost, pyro% increase) or 4TF (cool down reduction, elec% increase), then 2p Instructor and/or 2p WT may provide a larger boost to damage than the former two.
By: elijam#7142 Added: 07/15/2021 Discussion
Finding: 4VV swirl damage set bonus is more valuable than 104 EM at 304 initial EM from artifact main stats, artifact subs, weapon secondary stats and passives, and ascension; 160EM at 842 initial EM; and 200EM at 1168 initial EM; when only swirl damage is taken into account. These numbers were chosen to represent the value of 2WT2Ins, 4Ins with 4pc bonus active, and 4Ins with 4pc bonus active but set bonus discounted by 96EM to account for the loss of EM from downgrading two 5-star main stat artifacts to 4-star artifacts.
Evidence: Desmos chart for calculations: Desmos Link
Charts by Zakharov#5645: Imgur
Significance: Below 842 EM, 2WT2Ins will provide more value for swirl damage than 4VV before accounting for resistance
TLDR; No, they seem to be skewed towards DEF in particular
Substats on artifacts are unevenly distributed
Collected data on 157 artifacts, Flower and Feather only to be able to account for mainstat (mainstats can't appear as substat). Manually adjusted results for flat HP and ATK based on representation among the artifacts.
n is of sufficient size. When foddering artifacts, they might not be chosen at random but may for some reason use def substats last. Ideally this would be further tested with a droprate table to be able to disregard the distortions from upgrading artifacts.
Substats are distributed evenly except for flat Def for some reason, which is significantly overrepresented.
By: Tsym#2586 Added: 04/20/2021 Discussion
Theory: Substats for artifacts are unevenly distributed, with flat substats weighted higher than other substats, and crit substats weighted lower than other substats.
Evidence: TL;DR - We have the datamined substat probabilities from this link: Link lost to the sands of time
Image summarizing this data is here: Imgur
The datamined figures are not exactly consistent with what we would expect from the actual data, but it is fairly close, and we might see better agreement with more data. See this picture for the guesses that most closely aligns with the data. Flat substats definitely have a higher probability of being included than non-flat substats (by maybe ~1.7x), and crit is likely to be weighted lower.
I'm mostly submitting this since the entry in the current TCL (under the Artifact Substat Distribution header) uses a small sample size and the conclusions reached there are likely incorrect now that we have more/better data.
Data: I pulled artifact data from /u/Acheron-X's table. The tables and charts in there shouldn't be used directly because it pools artifacts with different #s of substats together, which leads to a slightly biased picture because you can't have repeating substats and they can't be the same as the main stat, so in artifacts with 3 substats for example, the "missing" fourth slot in the data is determined by which other substats (and main stat) have already shown up in that artifact.
Methodology: Google Sheets
I pulled out data for 4 substat and 3 substat artifacts to analyze separately since those are the least biased, then ran a simulation after plugging in some guesses for the main stat and substat probabilities, and compared those simulated figures to the actual distributions. I settled on a rough proportion after getting something that seemed close enough to the sample.
More data would be needed to reach stronger conclusions. As of right now, there's only enough data to get a sense of the right substat probabilities, but the ones assumed below are highly subject to change.
Significance: The artifact grind is real and artifacts with good substats are rarer than you'd naively expect since you'll see ones with flat substats much more often.