Weapons

nBane of ... Series

Lion's Roar Passive Applies to all forms of DMG inflicted on Electro-Debuffed Enemy

By: Doug#8888

Testing: Keqing with no artifacts on and only a Lion's Roar. I autoattacked a hilichurl, cast stiletto for electro-debuff, then autoattacked again. Here are the 2 white(physical) numbers recorded.

  • 400dmg - no debuff

  • 469dmg - with electro aura

Conclusion: Lion's Roar passive applies to all forms of damage inflicted upon electro-debuffed monsters. This means that it is not only electro-based damage being increased, but also physical damage.

Lion’s Roar Passive Works while the Holder is Off-Field

By: mikan#2834 and IonFox#8887

Theory: Lion's Roar passive is still in effect and will boost damage even when equipped character is off-screen

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/C3H8xEI%20

  • C2 XingQiu with Fillet blade and 631 total attack.

    • 1st wave: 161

    • 2nd wave: 183 with reduced Hydro Res

  • Same XingQiu with base Lion's Roar and 635 total attack.

    • 1st wave: 186 damage on electro-afflicted enemy

    • 2nd wave: 211 damage on electro-afflicted enemy with reduced Hydro Res

Significance: Equipping support characters with Lion's Roar/Dragon's Bane/Rainslasher that deal damage even when off screen is a viable choice to increase damage output. For example, XingQiu in an electro (Keqing) or pyro (Diluc) focused team.

Weapons with Bane of ... Passive Applies for Amplifying Reactions, but not Transformative Ones

By: Lix-#3417 Added: 12/7/2020

Theory/findings: Can Lions Roar, 4TS,dragon's bane, ravens bow increase reaction dmg?

  • The answer is no, for Transformative reactions

  • But yes for Amplifying reactions (melt and vaporize)

Evidence:

Test 1: EC

Test 2: Overload

Test 3: Vaporize

Significance: Lions Roar and other weapons that have similiar passive don’t increase transformative reactions damage but do increase Damage for amplifying reactions.

Blackcliff Series

BlackCliff Sword effect Persists through a Character Swap

By: Cenpi#3224

https://youtu.be/lqB9ifbFTLI

BlackCliff Sword effect doesn’t activate if a Support takes the Kill

By: Cenpi#3224

https://youtu.be/drij7iIl_Tg

BlackCliff Sword effect doesn’t activate if a CO-OP Member takes the Kill

By: Cenpi#3224

https://youtu.be/YFyRpQF_fcY (refer to link above for original atk values)

BlackCliff Sword Effect Persists Even if the Holder Switches Off-Field

By: Lix-#3417 Added: 12/7/2020

Theory/Findings:

  • Does blackcliff bonus apply while the wielder is off field?

  • And can you still get the buff if you kill the enemy with your skills while you're in the off field?

  • The answer is yes, it does apply to any char skills that remains in the field even if the character already switched

Evidence:

  • Test 1: XQ using blackcliff without inactive buff

  • Test 2: XQ using blackcliff with the active Buff

  • Test 3 : XQ using blackcliff killing enemies while in off field, does he still get the buff?

    • No, he does not

Significance: From the test we can conclude that the buff can be applied to their skills even if they are not in off field, this also works on Fischl's Oz and Xiangling's Guoba.

  • For example, you can get a kill on Blackcliff Fischl, cast Oz, then swap off and Oz will still receive the Blackcliff buff

The BC holder must be on field to activate the Blackcliff effect.

Favonius Series

Favonius Weapons do not proc on Shielded Enemies

By: Sakuno#7950 Added: 2/4/2021

Evidence:

Testing was done using Diona @ around 40% crit rate spamming normal attacks with an R1 favonius warbow, and a Xingqiu @ around 40% crit rate using normal attacks with an R1 favonius sword. 3 minutes on average I attacked a hydro abyss mage and a shielded cyro slime, on both characters. All 4 tests resulted in 0 procs. When shields were broken, favonius proc'd as expected (60% chance per crit). Shielded fatui skirmishers on the other hand, does not prevent favonius from working since it does not block dmg completely like the others.

Short demonstration: https://streamable.com/l87jqj

Significance:

Favonius weapons suffer the same drawback as sacrificial and does not provide itself as an alternative weapon choice against shielded enemies. This leaves favonius where it was before, the inferior option against sacrificial unless you have no better.

Millennial Movement Series

Millennial Movement stack mechanics

By: rakka#0099 Added: 5/22/2021 Discussion

Theory/Finding/Bug: Millennial Effect Overlap Behavior

Evidence: Different weapons with the Millennial Movement effect can stack, however effects of the same buff-type will override each other. IE Elegy at R5 produces a 40% ATK bonus and a 200 EM bonus for the team however an R2 Song of Broken Pines produces a 25% ATK bonus and a 15% normal ATK speed bonus. If Elegy procs first and Pines second, the EM bonus from Elegy will stay applied however the 25% ATK bonus will override the 40% attack bonus and lower the overall effect of the shared buffs takes the most recent proc even if it takes the lower value.

Significance: Millennial Movement passives can stack, however if a buff type overlaps (ATK, movement speed, EM, etc....) then the last effects will override the previous effects while leaving the non-overlap effects alone. This means that mismatched refinements with overlapping effects can affect the complexity of when Millennial buffs need to proc, so either an Elegy and Pines on the same team should both be R1, R2, etc or it means that the player has to be aware of the order of operations for their swap comps.

Royal Weapon Series

The Effective Crit Rate of Royal Weapons

By: Cola#6861

Evidence: Spreadsheet

  • Ran simulations (using google sheet's randomize function) over 10,000 runs, each for 5%, 15% and 50% crit rate.

  • Recorded the average crit occurence for each set of 10,000 runs, for 10 times.

  • Averaged the results from 10 trials and came up with the average effective crit rate.

  • The same was done for refinement rank 1, 3 and 5.

Significance

  • Avoid crit rate circlet and minimize crit rate rolls on your substats.

  • The royal weapon line behaves, strangely, I know.

  • If you are SOL on artifacts however, the Royal weapons can make for a decent choice.

How Royal LongSword’s Passive Works

By: Pleinair#8321 Added: 11/22/2020

Evidence: https://youtu.be/YqjY3RN-QDs

Significance: The sword is a rare case of actually working while off field. While Sacrificial sword is one of Xingqiu BiS this weapon would be more optimized for a dps build over the Harbinger of Dawn due to the overall higher raw stats it provides

By: IonFox#8887

Further elaborating on @Pleinair's submission, Royal Longsword works exactly as written even when XQ is off field.

More evidence from Pleinair: https://youtu.be/CEcNjSHqHTE

Significance:

As with above conclusion, there might be a use case where Royal Longsword offers a higher DPS ceiling than sacrificial or becomes a valid F2P alternative if players can mitigate the recharge loss through substats or a hydro DPS.

The video also reveals that there might be a tiny ICD or Royal Sword's ability, or that multiple hydro swords in a single wave count as 1 hit or a single source of damage, since only 1 stack of crit was granted. The second seems likely given how each wave only applies one instance of hydro now. However it has also been observed that swords can crit independently.

This also raises the question of other royal weapon use cases with off screen DPS, such as Royal Bow and Fischl's Oz.

EDIT: XQ's rain sword orbitals do not count as a hit when they apply hydro, not crit boost there.

Royal Series Dynamic Stacking on Snapshot DoT Skills

By: sunnyd#5916 Added: 04/10/2021

Finding: Lisa's Q snapshots crit stacks from Royal Grimoire but the damage from the Q ticks will dynamically change the number of stacks

Evidence: Youtube

Significance: The passive of royal weapons continues to stack even when a snapshotting skill deals damage over time. First, cast the skill at low crit, and have the character gain crit from royal weapon's passive while the skill maintains its low crit rate because it snapshots. This allows stacks to be gained without an increased chance of losing them. Which means, the increased crit rate can then be capitalized on by casting high damage abilities during that window of increased crit rate.

Sacrificial Series

Sacrificial Weapons do not proc on Shielded Enemies

By: Exuma#1917 Added: 2/4/2021

Evidence: Testing was done with Diona hold E with R1 sacrificial bow and XQ E with R1 sacrificial sword. Both units used 50 E skills on shielded pyro abyss mages and shielded geo slimes with 0 procs for both cases. When shields were broken, sac weapon procs were as expected. (40% chance per hit on R1)

Short Demonstration: https://streamable.com/nm57p6

Significance: This has many applications in combat, especially in abyss where timed trials will be affected by proc frequency and subsequently burst uptime. Sacrificial weapons are among the best support options so understanding their mechanics are necessary.

Sacrificial Passive With Multiple E Stacks

By: mol#3280 Added: 5/6/2021 Disscussion

Finding: When a character with multiple charges of their elemental skill procs the sacrificial passive, the elemental skill cooldown shown on the timer is the cooldown that will be reset.

Evidence: I cast one Sucrose E, waited until the first cooldown was down to 5s, and cast the second E. A reset occurred, and the time of the second cooldown was ~15s (minus 10% due to anemo resonance in video). So, whatever timer is currently showing is the one which will be reset.

The same occurs for Ganyu C2 and Klee.

Significance: Any serial-cooldown, multi-cast skill user may waste sacrificial procs by causing a reset when their first cooldown is near 0s. Since the timer on stacked skills begins with the first skill cast out of the stack, and that skill is the one which is reset (not the longer, still waiting cooldowns), resets can be completely wasted on characters with multiple stacks. For example, with Sucrose it is possible to reset a skill with 0.1s of cooldown remaining, then have a stack of 15s go onto cooldown afterward. To get the most out of the cooldown benefit of sacrificial weapons, characters with multiple stacks might consider using stacks as quickly as possible.

Specific Weapon Mechanics

Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds

Lost Prayer Stack Mechanics

By: Konbo#0004 Added: 12/7/2020

Findings:

  • Lost Prayer does not reset upon leaving combat, ONLY upon switching to a different character or if the character falls.

  • Stacks will also continue to build outside of combat as long as the character remains on the field.

Evidence:

Switched to a character with Lost Prayer, observed 0% DMG Bonus. Went into combat with a single left click, left combat, observed stacks continuing to build up, observed a 4 stack DMG bonus that remained indefinitely (tested 5+ minutes afk) until I switched off.

https://youtu.be/W-ljqhTulD0

Significance: Lost Prayer becomes... even better for a main dps while exploring? The fact that you can carry over stacks over multiple fights will help in open world scenarios.

Memory of Dust

Analysis of whether Xingqiu E/Q counts as a “shield” for Memory of Dust and Bolide

By: ###0123 Added: 12/7/2020

Theory: For Bolide or Memory of Dust purposes, Xingqiu Q/E are not shields. Beidou C1 and Diona E are.

Evidence: https://youtu.be/Gpalhvn1f6Q

Significance: Potential implication for unforged? And you can't get a free shield for memory of dust in your Klee/Xingqiu team.

Primordial Jade-Winged Spear

PJWS On Hit Definision

By: Vye#9195 Added: 04/15/2021

Finding: PJWS passive can be stacked from elemental skill and burst skill hits on an enemy. The "on hit" portion of the passive does not refer to normal attack hits alone.

Evidence: Skill Stacking, Burst Stacking, Off-field non-stacking

Significance: Triggering and maintaining PJWS stacks in real combat scenarios is a lot easier than initially assumed. Especially for certain units with a high hit rate elemental skill or burst skill like XL.

Rust

Rust Damage Decrease

By: Amadurim#8925 Added: 04/05/2021

Finding: Rust DMG reduction on charge shots is additive and is in the same category as dmg% when calculated.

Evidence: Using level 50 Amber on Lv87 Hilichurl, with +20 physical goblet

Calculations:

1062 = Amber total attack
1.583 = +20 physical dmg bonus cup
0.439 = Amber T1 aimed shot
===
1062 * 1.583 * 0.439 = 738.023
DEF + RES mod: (50+100)/((50+87)+200) * 0.9 = 0.400
Amber Damage w/Prototype Crescent = 738.023 * 0.400 = 295.209
===
Rust Passive:
If multiplicative: 295.209 * 0.9 = 265.688
If additive: 1062 * (1.583 - 0.1) * 0.439 * 0.400 = 276.560

Truncating decimals aside, the dmg number of "If additive" is the same as in-game numbers, hence the dmg reduction of Rust is additive and falls under dmg% in calculations. The same result is also seen in Slingshot.

Significance: The dmg reduction of Rust passive is pretty negligible.

Serpent Spine

Rate of Loss of Serpent Spine Stacks

By: Reydriar#8127 Added: 12/7/2020

Finding: Losing Serpent Spine stacks has an ICD depending on the stack count.

  • 5-4: 1.01-1.02s (after you lost your 5th stack you can‘t lose the 4th stack for the named duration)

  • 4-3: 1.01-1.02s

  • 3-2: 1.17-1.18s

  • 2-1: 1.17-1.18s

Evidence: https://youtu.be/qIDaHGeqfTY

Significance: Getting hit by multi hit attacks will still only remove one stack thus increasing your overall uptime on stacks. 1 and 2 stacks have a better protection than higher stacks due to an increased ICD.

  • Relevant examples in the overworld only: environmental damage

  • Relevant examples: Ruin guard missiles or the cryo gun attack from the cryo fatui (https://youtu.be/qaxgPjY78YE)

Skyward Blade

Skyward Blade Description Clarification

By: Special#1775 Added: 12/6/2020

Finding:

  • Skyward blade does not increase your damage after Elemental Burst but adds an additional line as bonus damage using the values on the description.

  • Its separate line of damage crits individually from the normal attacks.

Current Description: "Increases the DMG of Normal and Charged Attack hits by 20% for 12s."

More Accurate Description: "Normal and Charged Attacks deal an additional 20% of Normal/Charged ATK as DMG for 12s" (this additional damage is dealt separately)

Evidence: https://youtu.be/nn4_xNJqsCA

Significance

  • Less synergy with electro builds since the bonus damage is a separate instance of white damage

  • Synergises well with physical builds

Skyward Pride

Skyward Pride Damage Interaction with 4 Set Gladiators

By: Chiefy#2036 Added: 3/30/2021

Theory: Skyward Pride's vacuum blades count as raw physical damage and not as normal or charged attacks for the purpose of 4 set Gladiators.

Evidence: Abyss 7-1 with 3 gladiator pieces vs 4 gladiator pieces

Note: The glad goblet had a bit of def, so the video of 4 pc Glad had a bit more atk than the bottom from Noelle C6 Q, resulting in 25 more vacuum blade damage.

The Bell

Bell’s %Increased Damage Passive Works With Any Shield

By: adri#1824

Finding: The Bell's passive %Inc Damage works with any shield, and not just with the proc from the passive itself like the description suggests.

Testing: Attacked enemies

  • without any shield

  • with the crystallize shield

  • breastplate

  • and the shield from bell's passive

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/1fCJ6IM%20

Significance: Although there's better claymores, this makes The Bell significantly better than the passive description lets on. Makes for an ok Noelle weapon if prototypes are being used on another character.

The Flute

The Flute’s AOE can CRIT

By: Crome#2644

Finding: Yes, it can crit

Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/kWhXThT

Wolf's Gravestone

Wolf's Gravestone Procs Don't Stack

By: JonahFarc#7056 Added: 5/11/2021 Discussion

Finding: WGS procs do not stack and the most recent proc overwrites the existing proc, even if it has duration left over

Evidence: https://youtu.be/ZXYUcnA-80A

Significance: Multiple WGS can kinda suck if they're not equal refine

General Mechanics

Attack Speed Buffs on Claymores

By: EternalDream#5503

Added: 2/4/2021

Finding: Attack Speed buffs do not dynamically affect Claymore Charged Attacks

Evidence: Side by side comparisons of a C0 vs C1 Xinyan

Significance: If an Attack Speed buff is active, such as Beidou's A4 after max parry, the charged attack will gain the speed increase for its entire length even if it wears off during the attack. Additionally, as the only character that can currently dynamically receive a speed buff mid-Charged Attack is Xinyan with C1, this means she MUST trigger the buff before-hand, as it will have no effect if triggered during the spin itself.

Catalyst Effective Attack Comparisons

By: Maygi#4987

Findings

Catalyst effective attack comparisons - see spreadsheet below.

Evidence

https://imgur.com/a/TpQsJqS

Methodology

Effective attack was calculated with a simple piecewise function that takes into account crit rate, crit damage, attack, and damage % (elemental damage). Passives that cannot be quantified due to how they can differ in effectiveness with different playstyles are NOT included in the effective attack calculation.

The spreadsheet has three main columns - for low, medium, and high stats. Each one simulates the every possible substat combination with a total of 10, 20, or 30 offensive lines (maximum possible rolls is 38, but nobody will ever get such lines - right?). Royal weapon crit rate is simulated on each possible combination of stats. The base stats used were that of a level 90 Klee using 2 piece Gladiator and 2 piece Witch set.

Significance

Memory of dust can actually be strong, even without a shield doubling its effect. Widsith is around ~20% weaker than 5* catalysts in general outside its burst window, and ~10% stronger during the burst window at R1 and ~30% stronger at R5.

Does a Weapon’s ATK% Substat Compensate for a Lower Base ATK

Added: 11/9/2020

Methodology: Comparing between ALL characters Base Atk at lv80/80 with ALL 4 Star Weapon at lv80/80.

At level 1/20:

  • Weapons with Base Atk of 41 will have a (hypothetical) atk% of 12%

  • Weapons with Base Atk of 42 will have a (hypothetical) atk% of 9%

  • Weapons with Base Atk of 44 will have a (hypothetical) atk% of 6%

At level 80/80:

  • Weapons with Base Atk of 41 will have a 401 Base Atk and (hypothetical) atk% of 50.3%

  • Weapons with Base Atk of 42 will have a 449 Base Atk and (hypothetical) atk% of 37.7%

  • Weapons with Base Atk of 44 will have a 497 Base Atk and (hypothetical) atk% of 25.1%

Characters do not include 1.1 characters.

I made a calculator that takes into account Artifact Stats (Feather Atk, Flat Atk substat, and Atk%)

Evidence at 46.6% (From ATK% Sands)
Evidence at 70% (From Artifact Substats)

Editor’s Note: Jiangling = Xiangling, Explosion = Klee, Zinc Chew = Xingqiu

Conclusion: Since different characters have different base stats, there exist a different OPTIMUM point where a weapon is objectively better than the other.

Significance:

  • 4 Star Characters will perform BETTER when equipped with weapons that has HIGHER Base Atk if you are running a 46.6% Atk% Timepiece Artifact.

  • 5 Star Characters have higher Base Atk, and instead performs BETTER when equipped with weapons that has MEDIUM Base Atk if you are running a 46.6% Atk% Timepiece Artifact. However, as ATK% increases (from artifact substats) to roughly 70%, weapons that has HIGHER Base Atk will perform BETTER.

Range Cap for Arrows

By: Poyo#6921 Added: 2/4/2021

Finding: There is a cap range for an arrow - the further you go after that cap the lower damage you deal.

Evidence:

Significance: Damage just falls off after a certain range, and it got lower the further I went, so you don't have to try to snipe stuff so far away

Refinement Costs

By: JonahFarc#7056 Added: 04/18/2021 Discussion

Finding: Refinement costs scales with the refinement rank of the current weapon

Evidence:

Significance: If refining a weapon from R1 to R5, it's cheaper to constantly use the R1 weapon to refine. Also, if you're refining your levelled weapon multiple times, make the other refines first (EX: For an R3 weapon, combine others to R2 before refining with the R3)