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Klee Mine ICD
By: Sakuno#7950 and Steph#3614
Added: 03/16/2021
Theory:
This is an independent verification of @Steph's findings, that Klee's mines that normally have separate ICD's have trouble applying their pyro application (for the purpose of breaking elemental shields) if they detonate on an enemy too quickly i.e. on the same frame.
Evidence/Method:
I detonated all 8 of Klee's mines into a hydro abyss mage using Anemo MC's burst. Then I measured how many U's worth of shield was damaged by counting pixels. Note it takes 24U of pyro to completely break a hydro abyss mage's shield.
1st Attempt: https://i.imgur.com/mUlLZhI.jpeg note: the anemo also damages the shield. I will make note if it did this. Here it didn't. Frame 1 is always one frame before the first bomb reaches & deals dmg to the abyss mage. on Frame 5 it dealt 2U's worth of pyro damage. Total only 5U of shield damage.
2nd Attempt: https://i.imgur.com/GmHWMON.jpg 1U of dmg on frame 2, 2U's worth on frame 4 and 6. Totalling 5U from bombs.
3rd Attempt: https://i.imgur.com/AYXWLT7.jpg Anemo dealt 1U before the bombs reached. 1U on frame 2. 2U on frame 4. 1U on frame 8. Totalling only 4U from bombs.
Conclusion:
If too many mines hit the mage in too short a span you waste the mines' ICDs. Also I could not observe a larger hit to the abyss mage's shield than 2U in one frame.
Significance:
Only a maximum of 2U worth of shield dmg possible in one frame? (inconclusive)
Klee can break hydro abyss shields faster by abusing the fact that her mines are on separate ICD's so long as you have a way to gather them. However anemo MC's burst is not the best way for this because the bombs detonate on the mage at the same time, wasting U's. (you waste 3 to 4 mines worth of dmg). You are better off holding E as steph suggests. Same with Jean don't tap E, hold E so that the mines gather onto the mage (also credit Steph).
Klee Mines ICD Update
Editor's Note: The findings below expands on the findings above, this finding does not invalidate the above entry, but rather investigates a similarly related mechanic.
Findings:
Klee's jumpty dumpty's split mines shares an ICD on pyro application with her normal attacks.
Evidence: Frame counting was done on 2 separate conditions
Condition 1: Throw klee's jumpty dumpty down, lure cryo abyss mage in, then use Jean's E to gather all 8 bombs into the shield
Condition 2: Throw klee's jumpty dumpty down, lure cryo abyss mage in, having 1 split mine to blow off onto the shield, then do a n1 onto the shield.
On both conditions, the very first frame is the frame where the first melt reaction occurs with Klee's split mine
In condition 1, the following data were collected
- Mine 1: frame 1, reaction occurs
- Mine 2: frame 59, no reaction occurs
- Mine 3: frame 71, no reaction occurs
- Mine 4: frame 80, reaction occurs
- Mine 5: frame 86, no reaction occurs
- Mine 6: frame 94, no reaction occurs
- Mine 7: frame 98, reaction occurs
- Mine 8: frame 128, no reaction occurs
In condition 2, the n1 attack connects 72 frames after the first split mine connect and no reaction occurs.
Both of these conditions lines up with the current ICD theory.
Significance:
Klee's jumpty dumpty's split mine might steal some reactions away from Klee's normal string by activating the timer and hit count before normal string lands, or it might also allow Klee to do more reaction using her normal strings by advancing the counter number.
Klee Skill Gauge
Finding: Tcl entry for klee's jumpty dumpty might have the wrong bounce gu entry, which is currently in at 2b. Bounces are not all the same.
1st bounce = 1u 2nd bounce = 1u 3rd bounce = 2u
Evidence:
- 1.
- 2.
- 3.
Significance: Updated tcl
Burst Mechanics
Klee’s Q is snapshotted on Cast
By: stellar#7066
Added: 12/7/2020
Finding:
Klee's burst (Q) is snapshotted.
Significance:
You can leave Bennett Q after using Klee burst and you also keep other atk% buffs that were enabled before Klee burst.
Klee Burst Waves Mechanics
Finding: Klee's burst has 6 waves, and on each wave, there is a 35% chance for 3 hits to occur, 50% chance for 4 hits to occur, and 15% chance for 5 hits to occur.
Evidence:
some data collected that about matches the expected distribution of 35%, 50%, 15%: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17grLuz_AbmmpJf3khVSE82p16VADqq1MFU4UWyO1h0c/edit?usp=sharing
Significance: Explanining how Klee's burst works
Ascension Mechanics
Failure to proc Klee's talent 'Pounding Surprise' (Explosive Spark), if she is swapped out immediately after attacking.
By: fid#6253
Added: 12/22/2020
Updated: 12/28/2020
Theory:
Klee's talent 'Pounding Surprise' doesn't proc the 50% chance to spawn the 'Explosive Spark' if she's swapped off-field after auto attacking or using her E.
Evidence:
Tested for a few minutes on a world boss, but here's just a short clip.
Significance:
Should the reverse be true, two grounded walk-cancel AA1s from Klee would allow you to switch characters immediately after the second without any downside. However, as it stands, players looking to maximize the benefit from the talent's charge attack buff will want to look for the proc before swapping, bringing two grounded AA1s closer in-line to - AA1 > AA2 > jump cancel combo. As for why you would want to swap characters frequently from Klee in the first place, that would be to set up reactions manually, or refresh Viridescent Venerer 4pc effect. A rotation could run something like this:
- Klee AAs until Explosive Spark proc
- Sucrose Swirl
- Swap to Cryo/Hydro unit and wait briefly for pyro to elapse naturally due to the swirl shortening its duration before proccing the aura element
- Klee Charge Attack
- Repeat.
Constellation Mechanics
Klee C4 damage
Finding:
Klee’s C4 damage instance has no ability type scaling tags.
Evidence:
Testing done by bloodreign616#4766
Damage is consistent with and without 2NO bonus - Video
No further tests were done given that it is highly unlikely that Klee’s C4 damage is considered NA/CA or skill damage and given that Monochrom9#8058 could find no ability type scaling tags for it in Klee’s ability configs.
Significance:
Damage calculations for Klee.
Klee C6 mechanics
Finding:
- Klee C6 does not stack with itself (e.g., casting burst again during the 25s will not increase the pyro bonus to +20% total).
- Klee C6 does snapshot to her own burst, unlike Xiangling.
869 * 1.588 * 0.5 * 0.9 * 2.681 * .768 = 1278.61 (rounding error in game?)
869 = attack
1.588 = damage bonus (ascension + c6 active + noblesse 2pc)
0.5 = enemy defense multiplier
0.9 = enemy resist multiplier
2.681 = crit
.768 = burst lvl 10
Significance:
No value in chain casting burst shenanigans, and Klee C6 does apply to her own burst despite some people saying otherwise.
Klee C1 mechanics
Finding:
- Klee's C1, like her burst, has a (very) small aoe.
- Klee's C1 has a 10% chance to spawn, increasing by 8% per failed attempt until it successfully procs. Expected number of attempts before a proc is ~3.92.
- Klee's C1 has no ICD for its proc chance, and has 6 different triggers: N1, N2, N3, CA, pressing E, and pressing Q. Self explanatory, but perhaps the only unusual trigger is pressing Q.
- When nearby 3+ enemies, Klee's C1 has a rare chance to "misfire" causing it to aim in a strange direction (almost always missing the target) or despawn before it even fires. It seems happens consecutively: once a trigger misfires, the next trigger is likely to despawn.
- Klee's C1 appears to have a standard icd for its aura, and is shared with her burst.
Significance:
Better understanding of Klee's C1.
Synergies/Interactions
How does 2 set Noblesse Oblige interact with C1 Klee?
By: fin#1623
Added: 12/6/2020
Theory:
Does Noblesse affect Klee's c1 procs.
Finding:
Yes they do.
Significance:
2NO + 2 witch might be a viable set for an at least C1 Klee and makes animation cancelling more worth it as it triggers (Klee’s C1) by AAing and skills.
Klee 4CW 3 stacks
Finding:
Spam pressing Klee's E button will trigger 2 stacks of Crimson Witch with one charge of Jumpty Dumpty. Therefore using the second charge within 10s will bring the total CW stacks to 3.
Significance:
4CW is better than expected for Klee.
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Contents
Skill Mechanics
Klee Mine ICD
Klee Mines ICD Update
Klee Skill Gauge
Burst Mechanics
Klee’s Q is snapshotted on Cast
Klee Burst Waves Mechanics
Ascension Mechanics
Failure to proc Klee's talent 'Pounding Surprise' (Explosive Spark), if she is swapped out immediately after attacking.
Constellation Mechanics
Klee C4 damage
Klee C6 mechanics
Klee C1 mechanics
Synergies/Interactions
How does 2 set Noblesse Oblige interact with C1 Klee?
Klee 4CW 3 stacks